Buh Bye Windows

Having long since swapped out my home and work laptops to MacBook Pros, I finally dumped my old desktop PC for a Mac Mini on Friday night. Before I did I captured the five minutes it would take to get the PC to a semi-usable state on video just for posterity sake.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/player/media/swf/FLVVideoSolo.swf

I wasn’t planning to post here but I posted on Facebook and got more messages about it than I did about the video where my 11 month-old walks for the first time so I figured I’d throw it up here for your enjoyment.

Good riddance, Windows.

ian

9/11 Experienced via AIM Chat

I woke up early September 11th, 2001 planning to drop Zoe at Mary Chen‘s house and head to SF to ask some folks at Microsoft’s venture arm to give Rob and me some money to build a Web service for personal media management. It already wasn’t an easy time to try to raise money for a digital music startup but I didn’t yet know just how hard it had become in a matter of moments. Julie was up early assisting Chuck Miller‘s Ashtanga yoga class and left me a message that something was going on in NYC and I might want to call the airport before I took off. I signed on to AIM and told Cesar Hernandez I had a meeting in SF in a few hours. His response: “You’d better start walking.” At the time it was hard to imagine anything could be going on in NYC that would affect my ability to fly LAX to SFO, but of course I didn’t go anywhere that day except to Malibu in a car.

Anyway, I’d started an AIM chat room and invited folks who invited more folks. It turned out to be an interesting document of the day. Thankfully Farrin kept a copy and after Tuesday’s Twitter 9/11 post she forwarded it to me. Below is the transcript, with everyone’s AIM names obfuscated.

You have just entered room “iancrVPChat23.”
Farrin Jacobs has entered the room.
Mary Chen has entered the room.
Cesar Hernandez has entered the room.
Rob Lord has entered the room.
Rob Lord: ph34r
ian c rogers: holy hell
Cesar Hernandez: is wall street near the trade center?
Farrin Jacobs: think so
Cesar Hernandez: holy fuck!
ian c rogers: rob, are you getting CNN where you are?
Rebecca Odes has entered the room.
Rob Lord: all financial markets closed today.
ian c rogers: CNN dead for you, Mary?
Mary Chen: cnn.com dead, i have no cnn.
Farrin Jacobs: cnn impossible to get on
Mary Chen: all i have is time.com and salon
ian c rogers: right. calling Southwest air was a lost cause, of course.
Rob Lord: did y’all see the video of the twin tower collapse?
Steven Nereo has entered the room.
ian c rogers: no tv here
Rebecca Odes: my sister was down there
Mary Chen: down where?
Rebecca Odes: park place subway stop
Mary Chen: oh god. does she have a cell?
Rebecca Odes: she; is home
Farrin Jacobs: cells arent working
Rebecca Odes: it was total run for your life shit
Mary Chen: yeah, guess that makes sense.
Mary Chen: glad she’s home.
ian c rogers: Farrin, you’re uptown?
ian c rogers: or at work?
Mary Chen: GLAD I’m not in DC.
Rebecca Odes: she convinced some random guy to drive her home
Farrin Jacobs: yes way uptown
Rebecca Odes: or out of the fray
ian c rogers: Mary, you returned from DC when?
Mary Chen: sunday night.
Mary Chen: they’re saying there was a terrorism alert? i was in the airport and there was no fucking alert.
ian c rogers: And Rebecca, where are you?
Rebecca Odes: i’m at home
Rebecca Odes: in chelsea
Farrin Jacobs: is crazy in chelsea at all?
Rebecca Odes: well seems like more traffic jams, i actually just woke up because
Rebecca Odes: it’s my fucking birthday
Rob Lord: according to tv news, 757 hijacked enroute from boston to la.
ian c rogers: and the only person dumb enough to get on an airplane after this was George W.
Farrin Jacobs: uh, happy birthday.
Mary Chen: happy birthday.
Rebecca Odes: yah
ian c rogers: wow.
ian c rogers: happy birthday.
Rebecca Odes: right one
Rebecca Odes: on
Rebecca Odes: i mean
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, W, who called terrorists ‘folks’
Farrin Jacobs: now in state dept
Farrin Jacobs: possible explosion
Mary Chen: calling friend in DC, no ringing.
Farrin Jacobs: some unidednfied aircraft apporaching northern virginia
ian c rogers: farrin, where are you getting the early scoop? my news is about 5 min behind yours.
Farrin Jacobs: 3d plane was from NY to DC
Farrin Jacobs: tv
ian c rogers: god bless it
Farrin Jacobs: damn straight
Mary Chen: the pentagon one was a commercial jet as well?
Farrin Jacobs: dunno
Farrin Jacobs: but prolly
Farrin Jacobs: cuz left from jfk
Farrin Jacobs: sears tower evacuated now
ian c rogers: car bomb at state dept
Melissa Brooks has entered the room.
ian c rogers: another plane headed at the pentagon?
Melissa Brooks: yes
Farrin Jacobs: not sure where headed
ian c rogers: Melissa Brooks is Melissa Brooks, in Seattle, was supposed to be flying to NYC today.
Melissa Brooks: not penaton
Rob Lord: another plane possibly hijacked. all int’l flights being rerouted to canada.
Melissa Brooks: a car bomb at state center
ian c rogers: I’m not leaving the house
ian c rogers: ever
Mary Chen: please don’t.
Farrin Jacobs: me niether
ian c rogers: so they’d better bring me my DSL
Melissa Brooks: i am traped in seattle
Melissa Brooks: i am renting a row boat and rowing home
Farrin Jacobs: 2d plane was from neward
ian c rogers: newark?
Farrin Jacobs: newark
Farrin Jacobs: that is
Farrin Jacobs: bldg collapes
Rebecca Odes: FOLKS
Farrin Jacobs: again
Farrin Jacobs: tower 1
Farrin Jacobs: fuck
ian c rogers: and southwest still says my flight is “Ontime”
Rebecca Odes: i can’t take the fucking FOLKS
Farrin Jacobs: holy fuckign shit!
ian c rogers: What, Farrin?!
Farrin Jacobs: both are gone
ian c rogers: both towers?
Cesar Hernandez: just saw that
Farrin Jacobs: yes both
ian c rogers: oh christ
Farrin Jacobs: not even speculating in casualities
ian c rogers: “gaping hole in the pentagon”
Farrin Jacobs: country has become complete no-fly zone i think
Farrin Jacobs: oh shit. we’re gonna have a war with W as our president.
Mary Chen: looks that way.
Rebecca Odes: i think i’m going to throw up
Defender has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, i’m sure those ‘folks’ are scared
ian c rogers: just watched “13 days”. was thinking the same thing.
Farrin Jacobs: cuz ‘terrorism will not stand’
ian c rogers: Defender is another NYC’r. You in the Viacom bldg?
Farrin Jacobs: all midtown bldgs sealed
Farrin Jacobs: people in my old office sent home
Mark Kates has entered the room.
ian c rogers: Carbo is in Boston
Farrin Jacobs: the simon & schuster bldg that is
Farrin Jacobs: but fox bldg sealed. no one allowed to leave
ian c rogers: Carbo, we have people NYC, LA, Seattle, and now boston trading some news in here
Farrin Jacobs: flight 11 from boston to l.a.
Farrin Jacobs: was first plane
Mark Kates: Is there stuff going on other than NY/DC?
Farrin Jacobs: not yet
Mary Chen: yet, eesh
Mark Kates: I was supposed to go to NY tomorrow, we’ll see
Farrin Jacobs: not gonna happen
Mary Chen: yeah you might want to skip that.
ian c rogers: “something has happened at the state dept”
Mary Chen: the car bomb? or something else?
Mark Kates: What are LA targets, do you think? LAX, Stock Exchange?
Mary Chen: i was just wondering that myself.
Mary Chen: paramount studios?
Mary Chen: the hollywood sign?
Mary Chen: scientology.
ian c rogers: Staples Center
Farrin Jacobs: stan’s donuts?
ian c rogers: that house on beverly that has all the christmas decorations
ian c rogers: beverly center
Farrin Jacobs: plane crased se of pittsburg
Mark Kates: I would think Universal or Disney first….Burbank should be avoided, airport, weapons manufacturing
Farrin Jacobs: crashed
Mary Chen: ohhh fuck.
Farrin Jacobs: big plane
Farrin Jacobs: getting this from my friend in the fox news room
Mark Kates: yikes
ian c rogers: amazing that news is faster in here than to the AP feed I’m listening to on the radio
Farrin Jacobs: 4th explosioh
Farrin Jacobs: in wtc area
Farrin Jacobs: hijacked plane from pittsburgh, a 767,
Farrin Jacobs: a plane down in pennsylvania
Farrin Jacobs: cnn reporting the large plane down in PA thing
Takuji Masuda has entered the room.
Takuji Masuda: hi Ian
ian c rogers: helicopters above my house. scary.
ian c rogers: hi tak.
Takuji Masuda: you in NYC?
Farrin Jacobs: partr of pentagon collapsed
ian c rogers: just reporting the news. it’s coming in more quickly than on the radio.
ian c rogers: no, in Santa Monica. was supposed to be on a 9:15 to SF. obviously not making it.
Takuji Masuda: stay home. some friends of mine who are at the fashion week so the whole thing live…
ian c rogers: yeah, there are a few NYC people in this room
ian c rogers: and one person in boston
Melissa Brooks: one in seattle
ian c rogers: mary, we need some Philly/DC presence in here
Farrin Jacobs: well, nyc folks, primary day officially cancelled
Rodriga has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: in case you were planning on running out right now to vote
Mary Chen: Rodriga is at AOL, near DC
ian c rogers: AP news is just finally reporting the 4th explosion.
ian c rogers: welcome
Rodriga: we’ve been evacuated
Rodriga: my building is in the flight path
Farrin Jacobs: oy
Melissa Brooks: where
ian c rogers: all of AOL campus, evacuated?
Mary Chen: dulles
Melissa Brooks: damn
Rodriga: yeah, i believe so
Farrin Jacobs: large plane crash in western PA And
Rodriga: i was on my way to work
Farrin Jacobs: there’s also the hijacked plane headed to virginia from pittsburgh
Defender: I can’t believe tihs. You literally cannot see downtown manhattan.
Defender: I’m not in Times Square, I’m downtown @ 9th & broadway
Rodriga: this is unbelievable
Farrin Jacobs: what’s it like at 9th and b-way?
Cesar Hernandez: large plane in western penn just crashed
Melissa Brooks: pittsburg plane crashed
Melissa Brooks: 20 minutes ago
Defender: scary. there are tons of people just walking up the street.
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, and there’s another one, too,
Defender: subways closes, bridges & tunnles closes.
Melissa Brooks: another?
Melissa Brooks: plane
Defender: no way to get home if you don’t live in the city
Farrin Jacobs: another plane, yes
Melissa Brooks: where
Farrin Jacobs: hijacked out of pittsburgh
ian c rogers: *deep breath*
Farrin Jacobs: so, that’s 2 from PA
Melissa Brooks: one word: WAR
Melissa Brooks: especially with G as pres
Farrin Jacobs: yeah. fucking scary.
Defender: this is just unfuckingbelievable to look at
Farrin Jacobs: ian, you got to get to a tv
ian c rogers: do I really want Zoe to see this?
Farrin Jacobs: oh, right.
ian c rogers: here’s Zoe:
Farrin Jacobs: prolly not
Farrin Jacobs: hi z
ian c rogers: hey guys
ian c rogers: this is crazy
Farrin Jacobs: yeah
Farrin Jacobs: scary
Defender: I think our building may get evacuated.
ian c rogers: far is it close to you?
Farrin Jacobs: not really
Farrin Jacobs: a few miles away
ian c rogers: so youre ok
Farrin Jacobs: i was on a run while it happend so i had no idea what was going on
Farrin Jacobs: i just all the sudden started hearing abunch of sirens
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, i’m fine
Cesar Hernandez: second plane to pentagon
Farrin Jacobs: the one from pa?
ian c rogers: every build ing in dc are being evacuated
Cesar Hernandez: i think they are going to shoot it down.
ian c rogers: woa
Farrin Jacobs: where are you getting that from
ian c rogers: cesar is making shit up
Cesar Hernandez: one of the stations, give me a second.
Rob Lord: f16s running cover flights over the capitol bldg
ian c rogers: i did not say tha
Cesar Hernandez: no
Rodriga: i live right outside DC next to a major highway…all i can hear is sirens
Cesar Hernandez: i am not making shit up
Rodriga: damn
ian c rogers: yo, I watched “13 days” on sunday, so my paranoia is high.
ian c rogers: ian again, of course.
Farrin Jacobs: 8 planes total
ian c rogers: but now I think I’ll go skim McNamara’s appendix to “In Retrospect” about nuclear disarmament
Farrin Jacobs: still 5 planes in the air
Rob Lord: bush: “knives out, catch the mouse.”
ian c rogers: z again
ian c rogers: how many times have I heard bush’s speach?
ian c rogers: its annoying
Defender: what did bush say?
Defender: I haven’t heard.
Takuji Masuda: I hope this is THE attack, not the diversion for the real one…
ian c rogers: we will do a full investigation to hunt them down
ian c rogers: or somthing along those linse
Mary Chen: my sister says the palestinians are claiming responsibility?
Takuji Masuda: is there a nuce shelter near all of you?
Takuji Masuda: Ian, is there one in our area? shall we start going to be safe?
ian c rogers: I wouldn’t know. Tak, we’re coming to your crib. (ian again, over Zoe‘s shoulders)
ian c rogers: this guy sounds funny!
Rebecca Odes: i just went outside
Kristin Stavola has entered the room.
obey has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: israel evacuating all diplomats and embassies
obey: chen
Mary Chen: obey is alan, outside DC
Kristin Stavola: yea
Rebecca Odes: it was crazy so many people on the street
ian c rogers: welcome
ian c rogers: kiq: where you at?
Kristin Stavola: brother was online with me this morning, 2 blks
Kristin Stavola: i am in CT…. came home last night to pick up the dog
Mary Chen: giuliani’s disaster bunker was underneath the WTC. great.
Farrin Jacobs: have heard it was palestinians, too. anyone hear any different?
Kristin Stavola: they denied that about 30 min ago
Kristin Stavola: nothing confirmed
Farrin Jacobs: osama bin laden?
Kristin Stavola: 2nd plane reported to be headed to pentagon
Rodriga: yassir arafat has condemned the attack
Kristin Stavola: plane down 80 min outside of Pittsburgh
Farrin Jacobs: ground shots in ny are scary. total war zone
Kristin Stavola: yea
Kristin Stavola: CNN right now
Mary Chen: so phil, you’re home now, in arlington?
Kristin Stavola: ordering people off the streets
Rodriga: yeah, i’;m at home
Mary Chen: k
Rodriga: plane down in pittsburgh was a 767
Rodriga: that’s a big plane
Farrin Jacobs: yeah.
Farrin Jacobs: that’s the third plane
Mary Chen: so wait, 8 planes? 2 WTC, 1 pentagon, 1 pitssburgh… what are the others?
Farrin Jacobs: still 5 unknown
Farrin Jacobs: i don’t know that pentagon was a plane
Rodriga: damn chen, glad you got back when you did
Kristin Stavola: 8
Farrin Jacobs: wasn’t it just explosion? at pent
Mary Chen: for REAL. i had thought about staying a little longer too.
Rodriga: reports are the pentagon plane was a 737
ian c rogers: i cant belive bush is on a plane to washington dc (this is Zoe)
Mary Chen: well, i guess no one can hijack it.
Mary Chen: knock on wood
Farrin Jacobs: one of planes is in air near dulles
Kristin Stavola: is that the one they fear is heading to pentagon
Farrin Jacobs: okay, 2 at wtc, 1 at pentagon, and then the 1 in western pa
Mary Chen: is it diverted? is there any sense it’s hijacked?
Farrin Jacobs: i think it’s a hijacked one
Cesar Hernandez: KIQ- i think that’s the one
Melissa Brooks: FAA is confirming that several other planes unaccounted for
Kristin Stavola: CNN covering that one… what is going on in LA?
Mary Chen: nothing in LA>
ian c rogers: so far we’re just spectating
Mary Chen: so far
ian c rogers: dont say that mary
Mary Chen: i was echoing you and cringing
Mary Chen: sorry
Cesar Hernandez: i’m in the helecopter path to/from burbank to lax and so far not much
ian c rogers: we’re a confusing pair over here. Zoe and I are trading lines. sorry mary.
Kristin Stavola: i know friends in atl have been evacuated from their officed
ian c rogers: mary: la is on alert (Zoe)
Farrin Jacobs: mary, you back in l.a.?
ian c rogers: navy on “threatcom charlie” in virginia.
Melissa Brooks: is camp david bombed
Farrin Jacobs: camp david?
Kristin Stavola: on cell with my brother who was 2 blks away from WTC
Mary Chen: on alert?
Mary Chen: yeah, i’m back.
Kristin Stavola: can’t account for several of our friends who were in the bldgs
Mary Chen: left DC sunday
Farrin Jacobs: in bldgs downtown?
Kristin Stavola: WTC and Finance
Farrin Jacobs: i have a dsl line, so i can make calls if you need it
Farrin Jacobs: while i’m online that is
Kristin Stavola: he is hysterical…. can’t hear much… just yelling
Farrin Jacobs: friend at fox says camp david report is false
Kristin Stavola: debris still falling
Farrin Jacobs: but cbs says today is anniversary of camp david accords of support of israel
Steve Rosenblatt has entered the room.
obey: going home
obey has left the room.
Travis Keller has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: cbs still saying camp david plane, but friend at fox says authorities denying it.
Farrin Jacobs: anyone else hearing anything either way?
Kristin Stavola: nothing on CNN
ian c rogers: they’re considering closing the libery bell and other tourist attractions
Nancy Nereo has entered the room.
Nancy Nereo: thx
Cesar Hernandez: plane near dulles airport surrounded by f-16’s
Kristin Stavola: where are you getting that from?
Cesar Hernandez: radio
Farrin Jacobs: i heard that earlier
Cesar Hernandez: think it’s abc
Farrin Jacobs: on cbs tv
Justin Frankel has entered the room.
Rebecca Odes: report of crash at camp david
Justin Frankel: I heard that
Justin Frankel: F16 Just shot down a plane headed Towards washington, confirmed says CNN”
Mary Chen: but it’s also being denied
Cesar Hernandez: cnn.com back onloine
Farrin Jacobs: from where?
Mary Chen: a passenger plane?
Farrin Jacobs: who’s saying plane did crash near camp david, that is?
Rebecca Odes: cbs
Farrin Jacobs: that’s where i’m getting it too.
Farrin Jacobs: anyone else saying that?
Rebecca Odes: not that i have heard
aaron has entered the room.
punkhardcore2000 has entered the room.
Defender: I just heard they are evaucating the Viacom building.
MuthaFlicka has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: sounds right
wonderwhat has entered the room.
punkhardcore2000: they’re evacuating a lot of people in toronto too. like.. the cn tower building and junk.
Farrin Jacobs: many midtown bldgs already evacutated i think
Travis Keller: has anything happened in la yet?
Kristin Stavola: CNN has said nthn about Camp David, nor the plane being shot down
ian c rogers: no news about LA so far
Mary Chen: nothing in LA. but we’re on alert
ian c rogers: me and mary, that is
ian c rogers: heh
Kristin Stavola: where is mary?
Farrin Jacobs: just you guys, huh?
Mary Chen: LA
Cesar Hernandez: KIQ- go to cnn.com
Kristin Stavola: but where
Mary Chen: hollywood
punkhardcore2000: im going back to class
Farrin Jacobs: could you maybe let my sis in on your secret alert, ian?
Farrin Jacobs: she’s the only sis i have after all
punkhardcore2000: later trav . . . later aaron.
punkhardcore2000 has left the room.
aaron: hey
MuthaFlicka has left the room.
ian c rogers: she’s still teaching. she called me at 6 to break the news, then at 7:45 to make sure I wasn’t
Travis Keller: bye
ian c rogers: getting that plane
jetli has entered the room.
aaron: make sure you all go donate blood
aaron: tons of people are going to need it
Farrin Jacobs: wow, she was on it this morn.
Kristin Stavola: gtting whatplane?
ian c rogers: was supposed to be on a 9:15 out of LAX to San Jose
jetli: has anyone heard that 2 jets are hikacled are headed for CA?
Rob Lord: united saying two of its planes are unaccounted for
Farrin Jacobs: eyewitness of f-16s protecting the capitol
Cesar Hernandez: yes
Travis Keller: was supposed to leave for new york tomorrow
jetli: fuck
jetli: wonder if san francisco or LA
Farrin Jacobs: many deaths at pentagon
Travis Keller: where did you hear that jet?
jetli: on the news
Cesar Hernandez: jetli- i heard that a few minutes ago but no word from the other stations
jetli: one from europe is headed to DC
jetli: 2 others on way to CA
jetli: known hijacked
Mary Chen: how close are they?
jetli: dont know
Farrin Jacobs: who’s reporting the CA ones?
Melissa Brooks: boston to LA–a second flight–they have lost contact
jetli: im watching FOX and they just get their news from other stations
Cesar Hernandez: east coast news feed on the howard stern show
jetli: so LA
Travis Keller: fox said that?
Mary Chen: sister in ny says bomb in a school in lower manhattan?
Travis Keller: another bomb in new york… a high school
Rodriga: one of those flighs was a Dulles to LA
jetli: well im just saying 2nd flight from boston to LA
Rob Lord: cnn reporting the frequent flyer number of terrorists #37459384-2
Mary Chen: the high school was a triage center
Justin Frankel: roblord: hah
Rebecca Odes: report of bomb at stuyvesant
Rebecca Odes: high school
jetli: i think i should fuck going into work.
Mary Chen: i think so too, where are you?
jetli: i dont know if San Francisco is at risk
Takuji Masuda: there are planes coming our way. do you and Zoe want to come over?
Defender: there is just no way I’m walking outside in NYC
jetli: they are closing the Golden Gate Bridge
ian c rogers: going to wait for julie
Rebecca Odes: stuyvesant supposedly evacuated
ian c rogers: but we may come out for the day
Farrin Jacobs: going to her house ian?
ian c rogers: then again, maybe we should all go out to my mom’s in the desert
Farrin Jacobs: 2d attack on pentagon
Rob Lord: sf public schools closed; many downtown sf streets closed.
ian c rogers: though I’m sure the 10 is a mess
Cesar Hernandez: just learnd friend was in building across the street from wtc
Travis Keller: idaho aint sounding so bad
Farrin Jacobs: osama had promised attack
jetli: the plane from europe to DC is not responding to radio contact
Kristin Stavola: no transport in or out of NYC
jetli: a plane crashed outside San Jose
jetli: apparently 12 jets were hijacked total
Cesar Hernandez: jet- where you getting your news?
Kristin Stavola: ditto
jetli: CNN
Farrin Jacobs: accord to who?
ian c rogers: there must be a max of 20 people allowed in her
ian c rogers: e
Kristin Stavola: i am watching CNN and hear none of that
Kristin Stavola: i can’t get cnn.com
jetli: it’s FOX but they get their news from all sources
Farrin Jacobs: fox news channel?
jetli: yea
Mary Chen: cnn.com is on raw html now, it’s loading
jetli: webservers cant handle i
jetli: t
Mary Chen: but it&#82#8217;s way behind
Mary Chen: part of pentagon collapsed…
jetli: no access to tv?
Mary Chen: no TV
Kristin Stavola: watching TV
jetli: TV is the best bet right now
jetli: i couldnt stream any news sites this morning
Mary Chen: i’ve got my sister on the phone and can hear hers in the bgd
ian c rogers: no tv here, either
Nancy Nereo: me neither
Mary Chen: she’s in upper manhattan
ian c rogers: listening to AP news via AOL. sad.
Travis Keller: no tv ian?
Kristin Stavola: United confirmed flight from Newark crashing in Pennsylvania
Nancy Nereo: npr on radio
Travis Keller: why?
jetli: shit
jetli: flight on way to SF just crashed
ian c rogers: they evacuated/closed the space needle
Mary Chen: flight 93 on way to SF crashed
Kristin Stavola: same flight
ian c rogers: just don’t have TV.
jetli: where did it crash
Kristin Stavola: they are not sure if it is the same flight
Farrin Jacobs: plane to sf from where?
jetli: United plane on route to SF crashed, but they didnt say where it crashed
Kristin Stavola: but its down in Pennsylvania
jetli: check out cbs world news
Kristin Stavola: might be the one 80mi outside of Pitt
jetli: apparently they are saying 2 planes to SF one to LA
Kristin Stavola: where is bush now? in flight btwn FL and DC
Nancy Nereo: y
jetli: he is attacking palestine
Farrin Jacobs: with sticks
jetli: so why wont they tell us about these CA bound planes
Travis Keller: does cnn.com work for any of you?
wonderwhat: they dont want more panic than there already is
wonderwhat: yes
Kristin Stavola: no cnn…
Travis Keller: i cant connect to it
jetli: well shit, i dont want to go into downtown if im gonna blowup
Rodriga: i can get to CNN.com
Kristin Stavola: general clarke confirming reports that there are still planes up
Rodriga: prolly cuz AOL has the site proxied
Cesar Hernandez: grounded plane in Cleveland airport
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, downtown. not a good destination right now
Kristin Stavola: there that are officially unaccounted for
jetli: fuck
Mary Chen: cnn.com was working for me, it’s pared down
Takuji Masuda has left the room.
Kristin Stavola: warning of more danger
Farrin Jacobs: where?
Melissa Brooks: is san jose confirmed
Mary Chen: san jose NM or CA?
Farrin Jacobs: confirmation on the plane forced down near camp david
Rodriga has left the room.
Farrin Jacobs: what about san jose? is that diff than the one down on the way to sf or is that one?
aaron: http://unaesthetic.net/pictures/index.cgi?mode=album&album=./WTC%5fPENT%5fCRASHES
ian c rogers: as in where I was supposed to fly into in an hour?
ian c rogers: “entire air traffic system in the US, shut down.”
Melissa Brooks: jetli said the san jose crash
Melissa Brooks: not sure if that is SF or SJ
ian c rogers: WW2 began w/ Pearl Harbor
Kristin Stavola: ian???
jetli: dont know if it was related yet
jetli: san jose
ian c rogers: although then we knew who the enemy was
jetli: right
ian c rogers: aaron: these photos are crazy
aaron: yeah they are
jetli: right now some palastinian group “claims” responsibility
aaron: thats my friend’s server he compiled that since this am
Takuji Masuda has entered the room.
ian c rogers: those photos look like a movie
ian c rogers: hard to believe it’s real
Mark Kates has left the room.
Farrin Jacobs: people at fox newsroom still saying camp david report is bullshit
Justin Frankel: you mean the US’s involvement with WW2 began with pearl harbor? or the coinage of the term “Ww2?” ?:-)
jetli: i dont understand how blowing shit up is good for your cause
ian c rogers: right
ian c rogers: I mean our involvement
Justin Frankel: yeah
ian c rogers: of course
jetli: anyone in new york right now?
Defender: yeah
jetli: do they know anything about casualties?
Defender: no word yet
ian c rogers: and Farrin, and Rebecca Odes
Ultragrrl has entered the room.
Defender: I think the debris are still too out of hand for emergency workers to be counting people.
jetli: the towers didnt collapse right away, right?
Ultragrrl: both did.
Farrin Jacobs: american airlines says 164 people dead
Ultragrrl: not right away.
Defender: no.
jetli: i thought it took like an hr
Kristin Stavola: not for well over and hour
Farrin Jacobs: just in thier planes
Travis Keller: people were jumping out of the towers
Ultragrrl: it took about two hours for the whole thing.
Defender: it took at least 45 mins for the first to fall
Kristin Stavola: i watched the second crash LICE
Kristin Stavola: LIVE
Kristin Stavola: it was surreal
Defender: and another 15-30 for the second
Ultragrrl: it’s so amazing. it’s so fucking awful. i’m going to vomit
Mark Kates has entered the room.
Justin Frankel: like a movie
Justin Frankel: or that tom clancy novel where the plane crashes into the whitehouse
Justin Frankel: and jack ryan becomes president
Mark Kates: UA 175 Boston/LA is reported missing
Kristin Stavola: Untied Fl 175 767 to LA… “deeply worried
jetli: they are closing shit in SF
Kristin Stavola: no contact”
Farrin Jacobs: hey Ultragrrl, it’s farrin from inside
Takuji Masuda has left the room.
Travis Keller: this photo is insane… http://unaesthetic.net/pictures/albums/WTC%5fPENT%5fCRASHES/asdf.jpg
jetli: my girlfriends office was just closed
Ultragrrl: farrin?
Ultragrrl: inside.com?
Farrin Jacobs: you in viacom bldg?
Farrin Jacobs: yep
Farrin Jacobs: small world, eh
Ultragrrl: no. you?
Ultragrrl: i’m home.
Farrin Jacobs: no. i don’t work at inside anymore
Farrin Jacobs: just talked to alex p. he’s at home in bklyn on his roof
Chris Smith has entered the room.
jetli: why the fuck dont they tell us about the CA bound planes
jetli: jesus
Melissa Brooks: yes
Ultragrrl: holy shit. the sky line is out of control. it’s not htere. there’s not world trade.
Takuji Masuda has entered the room.
Mary Chen: that’s what’s freaking me out
Mary Chen: it’s just gone.
Chris Smith: my ex girls dad was at the pentagon this morning and then the white house..he says shit is ultra ill
ian c rogers: I’d invite more people, but I think it maxes out at 20
Justin Frankel: I’ll leave =)
Farrin Jacobs: there are 21 now
Justin Frankel: two IRC networks is enough
Justin Frankel: eh
Justin Frankel: heh
ian c rogers: heh
Ultragrrl: oh my gosh. this is unreal.
Ultragrrl: this is so fucking insane.
Cesar Hernandez: i’m leaving for work
Justin Frankel has left the room.
Ultragrrl: OH MY GOD.
Kristin Stavola: for work>
Farrin Jacobs: what?
jetli: im staying home today
Ultragrrl: i’m sorry. i’m totally freaking out.
Ultragrrl: there’s no fucking trade center. it’s gone.
Farrin Jacobs: where are you? in the city that is
Travis Keller: where is the president right now?
Cesar Hernandez: hollywood
Ultragrrl: i’m on the upper west side. where are you?
Farrin Jacobs: same
Travis Keller: did they really show people in the middle east cheering?
Ultragrrl: no fucking way.
jetli: what!?
Defender: I’m down at broadway & 9th.
Defender: This area is out of control.
Farrin Jacobs: can you see anything from your windows? or all from tv?
Ultragrrl: from tv. i’m to far north
Defender: I don’t even want to walk outside. There are reports of freaking car bombs.
Cesar Hernandez has left the room.
Chris Smith: they say they’re out passing out candy and cheering
Kristin Stavola: president in AF 1
Farrin Jacobs: i stare at a brick wall out my window. so i haven’t even left
Farrin Jacobs: my apt
Ultragrrl: no way. that’s insane. i’m about to freak out.
Adam Glickman has entered the room.
aaron: fuck fuck fuck
ian c rogers: hey adam
Adam Glickman: tup
Travis Keller: why is the president on af 1? for safety or he’s coming back from somewhere?
ian c rogers: what’s your 20?
Ultragrrl: the streets are insane.
Ultragrrl: 20?
Ultragrrl: where’s joe c?
ian c rogers: that’s CB talk
Kristin Stavola: my brother made the same remarks about car bombs, is that for real?
Adam Glickman: trying to find my sister
Farrin Jacobs: pres was in fla
Travis Keller: ok
Melissa Brooks: and someone said soething about school bombs
Defender: they don’t know for sure if they are car bombs or residual explosions
Melissa Brooks: please confirm
Mark Kates has left the room.
jetli: yea
jetli: bomb in a school or something
Defender: and there was a bomb reported in a hs by the wtc in nyc
Farrin Jacobs: wehre is your sister sposed to be?
Kristin Stavola: Press Conf
Farrin Jacobs: it was the school where the emergency center was set up
Kristin Stavola: anyone with TV… CNN
aaron: the plane that crashed in pitt was on its way to san fran
Farrin Jacobs: death toll in thousdands in new york
Defender: did you hear any numbers?
jetli: ahh
wonderwhat: i heard 50,000 work in and around
Kristin Stavola has left the room.
Ultragrrl: the streets are insane. i hate arnold schwartzenegger right now.
jetli: 50k?
jetli: that seems higher than youd think
Farrin Jacobs: cbs just says thousands
Farrin Jacobs: nothing specific
Chris Smith: both buildings were 110 stories
Chris Smith: damn
Farrin Jacobs: 3,000 people celebrating in the streets
Ultragrrl: my brother works at good morning america. he said “try not to watch tv.”
ian c rogers: what are they celebrating?
Melissa Brooks: celebrating in palestine
Ultragrrl: and i forgot to buy cigarettes. i’m going to vomit.
Nancy Nereo: 40k work in one wtc bldg, plus the subways
ian c rogers: ah
ian c rogers: christ
Travis Keller: 3,000 people celebrating where?
Farrin Jacobs: missing flight headed to l.a.
Farrin Jacobs: was sked to land at 11:15
Ultragrrl: they are celebrating because it’s a middle east terrorist thing
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, what she said
Melissa Brooks: scheduled to land at 11.15 means itr must have left from east coast
Farrin Jacobs: missing l.a. flight info is from friend in fox newsroom
Farrin Jacobs: was one of the united flights
Mark Kates has entered the room.
Travis Keller: 11:15 pm?
Ultragrrl: travis and aaron, when are you supposed to come to nyc?
Chris Smith: so are there any planes still missing on the way to LA, that’s all I need to know
Travis Keller: we were coming tomorrow…
Adam Glickman has left the room.
ian c rogers: there is one that was originally meant for LA still missing, Chris
Farrin Jacobs: a.m.
ian c rogers: governor states: “this is the second pearl harbor”
Mary Chen: great thing to say
Kristin Stavola has entered the room.
ian c rogers: spokesman says, “it’s too early to discuss military retaliation…”
ian c rogers: “but the president has been given options.”
Kristin Stavola: why is tom clancy being interviewed in the middle of this
ian c rogers: oh man. they’re reaching.
Ultragrrl: is this war?
Ultragrrl: is this what’s happening?
Ultragrrl: what the fuck? this is so fucked up
Melissa Brooks: the missing La bound planes—maybe terorist plans is to hit east coast HARD and then when the world
Kristin Stavola: TOM CLANCY???
Melissa Brooks: is looking there to get LA
Kristin Stavola: this is WACK
Farrin Jacobs: tom clancy. oy. he’s the best war expert they could get?
Nancy Nereo: npr says: the 2 planes were both headed to la, one from dulles, one from boston.
Farrin Jacobs: are they gonna get harrison ford next?
Nancy Nereo: the plane that crashed in pa was headed to sf
Nancy Nereo: but there are no reptd missing la flights
ian c rogers: In WW2 they didn’t have Instant Message. Things are different now.
Kristin Stavola: United concerned about another flight… 175 to LA
Kristin Stavola: JUSTIFIED
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, that’s the one that’s sked to land at 11;15 i think
ian c rogers: but that’s just one missing united plane, right? not two.
Farrin Jacobs: i think one already went down
aaron: theres an american plane missing
aaron: flight 77
Farrin Jacobs: were 2 american, 1 united right?
Mary Chen: sister in NY says people coming into the hospitals so far are not badly injured
aaron: going towards the west coast
Mark Kates: Pittsburgh was United 93
Mary Chen: but they just might not be able to get to the badly injured yet
Nancy Nereo: yes-yr right kiq: cnn.com says they are “deeply coincerned abt one flight to la
aaron: 58 passengers
aaron: from NPR
Kristin Stavola: b/c that one was confirmed, other warnings are now justified… how many more planes are there?
Nancy Nereo: from boston (the united flite)
Nancy Nereo: i havent heard where the pentagon plane was from?
ian c rogers: someone on the radio interviewed about escaping the WTC:
ian c rogers: “I did it before in 1993. And I did it again.”
Farrin Jacobs: gee, there are concerns about the “continuity of the u.s. gov’t.
ian c rogers: he was on the 68th floor of tower 1
aaron: fuck
Mary Chen: my friend jean works on the 12th floor of the WTC
Kristin Stavola: someone on the 68th fl is ok… that is great news
Farrin Jacobs: she’s prolly okay. would have been evacutated b4 blding collapsed
Mary Chen: yeah
Mary Chen: 12th would be ok i think
Mary Chen: i hope
Farrin Jacobs: and there was a guy on 86th floor who was okay
Farrin Jacobs: what was that ian?
Farrin Jacobs: flt from boston to l.a. now down?
Ultragrrl: i cant believe they collapsed.
Farrin Jacobs: anyone else just hear that?
Ultragrrl: didn’t hear that. what station are you watching?
Farrin Jacobs: cbs
Mary Chen: did they say where it went down?
Nancy Nereo: the united in pa confirmed hijack
Nancy Nereo: acc to npr
Farrin Jacobs: no say wehre
Kristin Stavola: is that the flight from an hour ago?
Kristin Stavola: it must be
ian c rogers: taking Z to the park across the street. bbiab.
Chris Smith: disneyland just closed..the happiest place on earth
Kristin Stavola: whoa
Mary Chen: that makes sense
Melissa Brooks: news talks about the plane recordings before crash and how we will hear them; thatsworse than pictures
Nancy Nereo: ugh
Mark Kates: UA 175 was the 2nd plane to hit WTC
Nancy Nereo: that was the one to sf?
Farrin Jacobs: chicago
Mark Kates: No, LA
Farrin Jacobs: united flight down
Kristin Stavola: another one?
Defender: ok, ny national guard activated. i like to see that.
punkhardcore2000 has entered the room.
Travis Keller: where is the united flight down at?
Kristin Stavola: yea. gov p was just on CNN
Kristin Stavola: Sect Powell isn’t even HERE
Defender: please let them get the subway working again
Farrin Jacobs: from friend at fox: united air confimrs 2d plane down
Mary Chen: where is he
Travis Keller: the subway is shutdown? are people just like running through the streets?
Kristin Stavola: on his way home
Mary Chen: people are running uptown from downtown
Kristin Stavola: Peru
Defender: yes, actually there are
Nancy Nereo: so 2 united and 2 american now?
Kristin Stavola: yea, my brother called almost an hour ago…. was running
Farrin Jacobs: think so
Kristin Stavola: Bush is going to the WHITE HOUSE?
punkhardcore2000: people in canada are even leaving work. my classes were cancelled
Kristin Stavola: doesn’t that seem sorta stupid right now?
Chris Smith: he’s going to an ill bunker somewhere
Kristin Stavola: one would think
Bob Massey has entered the room.
Mary Chen: bob massey in DC
Bob Massey: who zis?
Mary Chen: mary chen and a bunch of people scattered over the US
punkhardcore2000: all international flights are gettin’ flagged to Toronto airport.
Bob Massey: goddamn. jean cook is alive and well. she works next door to
Bob Massey: the world trade center.
Bob Massey: just found out.
Mary Chen: ok good
Travis Keller: mary are you in hollywood?
Farrin Jacobs: good to hear
Mary Chen: travis, yeah
Travis Keller: ok
Mary Chen: bob, GOOD to hear
Ruben Fleischer has entered the room.
Bob Massey: she went to work at 9am, couldnt’ get in, her mom called and told her to split.
Travis Keller: is anyone planning on leaving la?
Kristin Stavola: good god
Mark Kates has left the room.
Bob Massey: putting her good korean work ethic to work, she tried to find a way into the secured buildin
Mary Chen: there’s only one plane headed to LA and it’s already down, right?
Mark Kates has entered the room.
punkhardcore2000: trav .. i was supposed to be flying out thursday to la
Takuji Masuda has left the room.
Mary Chen: she’s insane
Mary Chen: bob, i just realized, i didn’t see you at all while i was in town
Takuji Masuda has entered the room.
Mary Chen: i was in DC wed-sun
Melissa Brooks: pentagon area that was crashed into is the army planning center
Bob Massey: i know. i heard. that’s what i get for blowing off shows.
Mary Chen: word
Bob Massey: glad to hear yr well.
Mary Chen: yeah, nothing in LA
Mary Chen: on phone with sis in NY, we got a line
Travis Keller: so the plane headed here is down?
Kristin Stavola: i JUST moved to NYC on sat…. from LA
Farrin Jacobs: hard to tell
Kristin Stavola: drove to CT last night to pick up my dog!
Farrin Jacobs: well, uh, welcome
Melissa Brooks: LAX is evacuated
Kristin Stavola: uh, thanks… i guess
Bob Massey: a dog is man’s best friend.
Farrin Jacobs: travis, has sarah found your friend?
Travis Keller: sarah… did you get a hold of gid?
Kristin Stavola: only way out of NY is the ferry
Kristin Stavola: ???
Kristin Stavola: this is insanity
Farrin Jacobs: my friend just tried to donate blood. 2-hour wait
Farrin Jacobs: in park slope
Melissa Brooks: yassar araft is shocked
Ultragrrl: i haven’t spoken to gid. the cell phones are down.
Ultragrrl: i’m sure he’s ok. he survived the israeli bombings.
Ultragrrl: dick cheney is incharge!
Ultragrrl: this is mad!
Kristin Stavola: wha?
Ultragrrl: cheney is taking charge.
Ultragrrl: cause he’s in washington.
Kristin Stavola: Ultragrrl: what are you talking about?
Melissa Brooks: i am watching west bank celebrations
Melissa Brooks: sick
Kristin Stavola: WHAT?
Ultragrrl: watching cbs.
Ultragrrl: they said “dick cheney is taking charge. bush is in florida.”
Travis Keller: is everyone watching cnn?
Kristin Stavola: he didn’t get on AF1
Travis Keller: or is there a better channel?
Kristin Stavola: i was
Kristin Stavola: now
Ultragrrl: i’m on cbs.
Farrin Jacobs: was on cnn, why?
Kristin Stavola: CBS… ultragrrl… its just Dan Rather blather
Ultragrrl: i’m sure gideon is ok. he’s far from the bombings.
Chris Smith: norman swartzcoff on nBC
Farrin Jacobs: cnn was showing old footage.
Chris Smith: he should know what’s going on
Travis Keller: just curiosu what i should be watching
Travis Keller: norman is bomb
Ultragrrl: HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Ultragrrl: look at nbc.
Cris Baray has entered the room.
ian c rogers: was out for a minute. what’d I miss?
Farrin Jacobs: whats on nbc?
Ultragrrl: alll of downtown manhattan is under a cloud of smoke.
Travis Keller: what what?
Melissa Brooks: west bank celebrating
Ultragrrl: it’s so intense. this shit is isnane.
Mary Chen: someone in here mentioned that the plane en route to LA is down
Melissa Brooks: down as in crash
Melissa Brooks: or landed
Mary Chen: don’t know
Farrin Jacobs: don’t know
Farrin Jacobs: at least nbc has schwartzkopp and not clancy
Mark Kates: The 2 planes that hit the WTC were Boston/LA, UA 175 and AA 11
Bob Massey: cnn’s server is molasses.
Bob Massey: we don’t get the tv cnn at my house.
Kristin Stavola: but, he was TALKING about clancy
Farrin Jacobs: twue
Kristin Stavola: enough of the tom clancy nonsense
punkhardcore2000: uh. they just showed tv shots of the people inside the twin towers before they went down.
Melissa Brooks: 5th plane crashed; united flight
Melissa Brooks: they dont know where
Farrin Jacobs: is that the l.a. one maybe?
Bob Massey: jesus.
Melissa Brooks: fox reported that
Mary Chen: just hung up with sister. she made me so she can check voicemail
Mary Chen: i dont like losing that connection
Ultragrrl: where did it crash?
Farrin Jacobs: suspicions of gas leak in downtown
Bob Massey: hey ex-aol people? how do i find someone’s im signon?
Melissa Brooks: they dont know where
Chris Smith: they just shut down the mexican border
Kristin Stavola: gas leak in downtown? is that another rumor? what ever became of the bombings?
Farrin Jacobs: rumor. on cnn.
Kristin Stavola: “act of war”
Kristin Stavola: wow
Mary Chen: bob: they’d have to deliberately list it, you can search by email
Mary Chen: under people
Farrin Jacobs: getting cnn thru tnt. thank goodness for the shrinking media world
Mary Chen: find a buddy at bottom
Farrin Jacobs: taliban says it’s not them and they feel our pain. basically.
punkhardcore2000: have you guys seen the clips of the palisinians celebrating?
Travis Keller: guiliani is on now this’ll be good
Kristin Stavola: what channel?
Kristin Stavola: he has been an idiot all morning
Farrin Jacobs: cnn
Ultragrrl: canadian and mexican boarders closed. pres and vp are in bomb shelters.
punkhardcore2000: guess im not going to see j.e.w. tonight in detroit.
punkhardcore2000: haha
Mary Chen: CDC in atlanta evacuated, bioterrorism teams preparing “in case”
Mary Chen: (cnn.com)
Mary Chen: is bush in FL or DC?
Kristin Stavola: no one will confirm where the pres is, as of CNBC like 2 min ago
Farrin Jacobs: bush in dc now, right?
Ultragrrl: i think he’s in florida.
Kristin Stavola: seems that he stayed in FL
Ultragrrl: people are walking in the streets headed north like lemmings.
jetli: are there more planes unaccounted for?
Kristin Stavola: can’t imagine there are any more planes headed anywhere
Farrin Jacobs: and people still heading across manhattan bridge
Kristin Stavola: all commercial aircraft are now landed
Mary Chen: whew
Kristin Stavola: all subways, bridges, tunnels shut down
Kristin Stavola: urging blood donors
Bob Massey: so, call it paranoia, call i “being prepared like the eagle scout that i am” but we just
jetli: all commercial aircraft landed
jetli: good
Kristin Stavola: president is safe, but we do not know where he is
Bob Massey: bought some bottled water. might consider it.
Mary Chen: right.
Bob Massey: then again, i struck out on y2k.
jetli: so who are we at war with?
Kristin Stavola: no one is assuming responsibility yet
punkhardcore2000 has left the room.
Kristin Stavola: president is apparently in flight, but no one knows where
Bob Massey: um, they’re not likely to tell us where the pres is.
Mary Chen: 2 navy carrrier battle groups are being dispatched heading up eastern seaboard, one to DC one to NY
Kristin Stavola: crash near Pitt was attempted attack on Camp David
Ultragrrl: apparently you shouldnt drink that tap water if you are in nyc area.
Kristin Stavola: fighter jets escorting president
Farrin Jacobs: really? about the nyc area? who’s saying that?
Defender: they are making announcments in my bldg about where to go donate blood
Defender: 2 carriers docked near jersey city a little bit ago..
Julie Jacobs has entered the room.
Julie Jacobs: fifi – you ok?
Farrin Jacobs: yeah
Kristin Stavola: FAA 22 intl flts deverted… 50 flts still in the air
Kristin Stavola: trying to land, 2 flts from europe with pilots not responding to FAA…
Farrin Jacobs: i may run out for a few minutes to get water and such. just in case.
Julie Jacobs: k, call g-ma if you can
Farrin Jacobs: 38 people dead at beellvue
Travis Keller: are all the missing flights on the gound? is that true?
Mary Chen: domestic i think yes. international no.
Farrin Jacobs: but someone just said those 2 int’l flights were still in air, no?
Kristin Stavola: there are only 2 flts w/ no contact
Kristin Stavola: with FAA
Mary Chen: still in air with pilots not responding
jetli: what flights?
Kristin Stavola: everyone else had made contact
jetli: does anyonie know?
Kristin Stavola: 2 flts from Europe
jetli: headed for?
Kristin Stavola: no contact with FAA… suspect there may be trouble
Kristin Stavola: headed for US
Travis Keller: one for la
Kristin Stavola: didn’t catch where
jetli: i think they will shoot it down
jetli: kill passengers, save politicians?
Mary Chen: wait: one of the european flights headed for LA?
Farrin Jacobs: seems to be the plan
Kristin Stavola: president making a statement
Kristin Stavola: any minute
Kristin Stavola: from AF1
Kristin Stavola: he is in Louisianna
Farrin Jacobs: 2 grps claiming credit?
jetli: i heard something about routing europe flights to canad
jetli: a
Kristin Stavola: just landed in Shreveport
Mary Chen: right, compliant flights would be headed to canada
Mary Chen: it’s the others that we’d be worried about
Ruben Fleischer: i have never appreciated Clinton more than today
ian c rogers: ruben?
Ruben Fleischer: I’m afraid for what W will do and am amazed he has not yet commented.
Ultragrrl: where is clinton.
Mary Chen: harlem.
Mary Chen: FUck.
Ultragrrl: i know. i mean, i want him.
Ultragrrl: i want him to lead.
Ruben Fleischer: that’s what i mean
Mary Chen: can’t we all agree as a nation that that’s a better idea?
Mary Chen: and just run with it?
Julie Jacobs: i’m in
ian c rogers: “George W evacuates all Frat houses at his alma matter”
Kristin Stavola: you have my vote, but it didn’t mean shit last time i used it
Farrin Jacobs: pics of crash on cnn
Farrin Jacobs: crash in pittsburgh that is
Ultragrrl: i want this to stop.
Ultragrrl: HOLY SHIT!
Ultragrrl: ANYONE WATCH NBC?
Farrin Jacobs: what?
Ultragrrl: the cop just told the reporter to move.
Ultragrrl: like on live tv
Farrin Jacobs: i just katie couric
Ultragrrl: she was just standing there. taling on the phone like nothing. reporting to the camera
Farrin Jacobs: and she has water
Ultragrrl: the cop was like “EXCUSE ME CAN YOU LEAVE THIS AREA?!”
Travis Keller: i saw that
Mary Chen: dude, there is no excuse for playing commercials on a news station right now.
Mary Chen: i’m listening to i don’t know what radio station
Travis Keller: any good info sources online right now? website, radio or chats?
Kristin Stavola: commercials?
Kristin Stavola: COMMERCIALS?
Mary Chen: that’s what i’m sayin
Chris Smith: I’m glad you weren’t on that boston to la flight carbo
Mary Chen: i’m just flipping through the radio but not hearing anythng new
Kristin Stavola: mary, i hear you… that is just so wrong
ian c rogers: listening to the AP news feed on AOL. Sounds good. They’re just filling time, though.
Mary Chen: i want to hear more about these european flts
jetli: well i just heard on the radio that a flight cant be heard from is headed to LA
jetli: expected arrival 11AM
Rebecca Odes: bush is on tv and he said FOLKS again
Kristin Stavola: yea. flipping channels, but not getting any thing
Mary Chen: kill him.
ian c rogers: if I log off, everyone disconnects, no?
Mary Chen: i dont’ know…
jetli: UAL flight status “in route”
Mary Chen: MLB has cancelled all games today.
Mary Chen: the sky is falling.
jetli: americas past time, shut down
ian c rogers: only Carbo will notice
ian c rogers: :-)
jetli: people on the radio are talking about revenge, jesus
Kristin Stavola: i believe so
Bob Massey: people need to calm the fuck down, pronto.
Mary Chen: president’s plane diverted… AF1 is in barksdale AFB in louisiana
Farrin Jacobs: taliban spokesman on cnn now
Kristin Stavola: yea, mentioned that a bit ago
Kristin Stavola: shreveport
ian c rogers: I’m going to head out now. I’ll leave this on so y’all can still be connected.
Mary Chen: thx
Kristin Stavola: he is looking for a place to set up communications
Bob Massey: what’d taliban guy say?
Kristin Stavola: thanks
jetli: the AZ health dept has received information that the nations water supply is the next attack
Mary Chen: WHAT
Mary Chen: reliable information?
jetli: verifying…
ian c rogers: yikes
ian c rogers: /me goes to Malibu
ian c rogers: later
ian c rogers: best to all
Rebecca Odes: bye ian
Mary Chen: later
Kristin Stavola: bye ian
Kristin Stavola: xoxo
Mary Chen: drive safe
Farrin Jacobs: bye ian and Zoe
jetli: my friends sister works for AZ health deptarment she informed my friend not to drink water
Rebecca Odes: bye Zoe too
Mary Chen: emergency outbound bus service from LA to begin in one hour
Mary Chen: /me pours out glass
Julie Jacobs: going where?
Kristin Stavola: huh?
Mary Chen: didn’t say…
Julie Jacobs: to malibu?
Mary Chen: i guess just for people who’d rather not be here
Julie Jacobs: right
Mary Chen: are you going to malibu with i&z?
jetli: they were put on notice by FEMA or someone that the nation’s water supply may be next
Julie Jacobs: indeed
Mary Chen: good
jetli: they were supposed to calmly notify the media and everyone
Julie Jacobs: you coming?
Mary Chen: i wonder if i should
Mary Chen: traffic must be insane tho
Julie Jacobs: why not?
Kristin Stavola: mary, go/
Chris Smith: that’s dope..president has been flying this whole time
Chris Smith: with fighter jets surrounding him
Mary Chen: do you think tak would mind?
Travis Keller: are people leaving la? anyone know?
jetli: i would just to be safe man
jetli: take a drive
Chris Smith: nah man
Mary Chen: travis: i heard there’s going to be emergency bus service out of LA in an hour for people who want it
Julie Jacobs: why would he mind?
Julie Jacobs: not that i can really speak for him…
Chris Smith: I’m holding down my crib
Kristin Stavola: “Lower Manhattan looks like it had been bombed in WWII”
jetli: Red Dawn!
Ruben Fleischer has left the room.
Travis Keller: to where mary?
Kristin Stavola: mary, give i & z a call and joing them
Mary Chen: it didn’t say, it just said “outbound”
Julie Jacobs: maybe see you there mary?
Mary Chen: yeah, i think so ju
Julie Jacobs: just come – i’m sure he wouldn’t mind
Mary Chen: ok
Kristin Stavola: see, julie even says to join them
Julie Jacobs: we’ll call you when they get here
Mary Chen: k. are cells clogged here?
Julie Jacobs: no
Mary Chen: k
Julie Jacobs: not ours at least
Bob Massey: everyone traveling: consider that you might be on the road for
Julie Jacobs: speak to you soon
Bob Massey: a long time. prepare. take food and clothes.
Kristin Stavola: water
Bob Massey: and water. batteries. a sweater.
Mary Chen: jeeeeesus
Travis Keller: i dont think i’m leaving
Julie Jacobs has left the room.
Kristin Stavola: all the psychos are coming out today… just a matter of time
Bob Massey: better to be prepared/safe. feel foolish later.
Mary Chen: am i safer staying here or getting on the road to malibu?
Chris Smith: you’re safer here
Chris Smith: you can come to my house mary if you want
jetli: you arent safe anywhere
jetli: purchase a fire arm
Chris Smith: I’m packing
jetli: red dawn is happening
Chris Smith: but that’s everyday :-)
Melissa Brooks: WTC explosions death toll estimates at 1oK
Mary Chen: holy
Melissa Brooks: not including 300 in planes
Melissa Brooks: and pentagon deaths
Ruben Fleischer has entered the room.
Rob Lord: has anyone tried to establish the exact motive for the attack? is this mideast land rights,
Rob Lord: islamic fundamentalism,
Rob Lord: or anti-corporate globalism?
Ruben Fleischer has left the room.
Rob Lord: WTC seems a strange target if not motivated in part by anti-corporate globalism.
Chris Smith: well, the original bomber’s followers could be making a point
Bob Massey: anti-corp movement is a herd of cats. this is evil genius.
Kristin Stavola: Is it too far fetched to assume that this was a combined effort?
Kristin Stavola: Pentagon?
Kristin Stavola: State Dept
Kristin Stavola: Camp David
Kristin Stavola: WTC
Bob Massey: state dept WAS NOT carbomobed.
Kristin Stavola: ?
Mary Chen: really?
Mary Chen: was there an explosion?
Kristin Stavola: it was just listed
Ruben Fleischer has entered the room.
Bob Massey: not sure but eyewitnesses there refuted original call.
Farrin Jacobs: anything happen in last 5 minutes? ran out quickly.
Kristin Stavola: the plane headed for Camp David was the Pittcrash
Farrin Jacobs: even on the upper upper west side streets are freaky and filled with people
Mary Chen: friend near pentagon just heard “loud boom” but that’s totally word of mouth and may be delayed
Steven Nereo: in LA the schools are still opened
Chris Smith: I live across the street from a middle school
Steven Nereo: and the trains and busses they say are runnin normal
Mary Chen: restaurants are closed though, i think the city’s going to shut down
Mary Chen: what’s with this water supply news?
Chris Smith: tons of parents have scooped up their kids
Farrin Jacobs: death toll at 10,000 so far
Steven Nereo: in do too…i should check it out
jetli: 10k
Ultragrrl: holy shit. 10k??
Mike Hughes has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: bush on cnn on tape
Bob Massey: how do i add someone to this chat?
Mary Chen: people: invite
Farrin Jacobs: no sound tho. which is prolly for the best
Kristin Stavola: chat button
Kristin Stavola: change the info to: ian c rogers chat23
Mary Chen: some people have trouble getting in dep. on how many are in here though
Kristin Stavola: highlight the person you want to invite, then hit the chat
Mary Chen: pres speaking
Kristin Stavola: now?
Mary Chen: or is this old
Mary Chen: i have it on radio
Kristin Stavola: must be old
Kristin Stavola: from FL?
Mary Chen: full resources are working to assist local autho…
Kristin Stavola: is he thanking a school
Mary Chen: to save lives and help the victims of these attacks
Mary Chen: make no mistake
Mary Chen: the US will hunt down
Kristin Stavola: will not stand
Mary Chen: and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts
Ultragrrl: i’ve been in regular contact w/the vp, sec of defense, nat. sec team, and my cabinet. we’ve taken all
Mary Chen: i’m in contact with… (cabinet).. we have taken all appropriate security precautions…
Mary Chen: military on high alert
Ultragrrl: we’ve been in touch wth the leaders of congress and world leaders t assure them that we will do what
Mary Chen: we will do whatever is necessary to protect america and americans
jetli: heh
Ultragrrl: ever is necc. to protect them and the americants
jetli: this guy needs to learn how to speak
Mary Chen: the resolve of our great nation is being tested but make no mistake
Bob Massey: hey, george, how bout getting involved in mideast peace talks?
Mary Chen: we will show the world that we will pass this test
Bob Massey: tha’d help.
Mary Chen: god bless
jetli: we will pace the test
Kristin Stavola: nice that ABC covered that
Mary Chen: going down street to buy water, back soon
Kristin Stavola has left the room.
Ultragrrl: i just felt the ground shake a bit.
Ultragrrl: why?
Bob Massey: where are you, Ultragrrl?
Farrin Jacobs: what?
Farrin Jacobs: are you sure?
Farrin Jacobs: i didn’t feel anything and i’m not that far from you rigth?
Ultragrrl: i’m on the upper west side.
Ultragrrl: i looked outside. i think it was psychosematic.
Farrin Jacobs: 70s? 80s?
Ultragrrl: 63
Farrin Jacobs: ah, i’m at 106
Ultragrrl: wow.
Ultragrrl: i can see the smoke.
Ultragrrl: but thats all.
Ultragrrl: this is the most insane thing i’ve ever seen.
Mike Hughes: my fiancee called me up this morning at 7am pacific time and said “turn on the news”
Mike Hughes: “i think something is going on”
Mike Hughes: i don’t understand any of this
Farrin Jacobs: mary, you still around?
Mike Hughes: went to get water
Farrin Jacobs: ah.
Mike Hughes: you’re in NY?
Farrin Jacobs: yes
Farrin Jacobs: you?
Mike Hughes: im in san diego
Mike Hughes: but my fiancee’s dad works at the pentagon
Bob Massey: my pal mike, in bensonhurst, says there’s debris floating past his window.
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, most debris heading toward bklyn
Mike Hughes: when i first turned on the news all i heard was “fire and ash”
Mike Hughes: and i was thinking it was another forest fire or something…
Farrin Jacobs: not so much
Mike Hughes: that happened before and it was snowing ash all day
Farrin Jacobs: are you up to speed then?
Mike Hughes: oh yea
Mike Hughes: i’ve been up since 7am
Farrin Jacobs: oh, right.
Mike Hughes: did you see the video of the second plane crashing into the second tower?
Ruben Fleischer has left the room.
Mike Hughes: it’s something straight out of hollywood
Mary Chen: back
Mary Chen: anything new?
Mike Hughes: hi mary
Farrin Jacobs: hey mary, d’you know my sis and ian were heading?
Ruben Fleischer has entered the room.
Mary Chen: do i know where or do i know that they are?
Mark Kates: going out for supplies
Mary Chen: later mark
Farrin Jacobs: ian said malibu? i’m just wondering why they were going to malibu.
Melissa Brooks: what do you think about the TV’s comparison of this to pearl harbor
Mary Chen: they’re going to tak’s, i guess just because it’s out of the way
Mary Chen: as rural as LA gets
Farrin Jacobs: ah.
Ruben Fleischer: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/index.html
Farrin Jacobs: okay, giuliani is telling people to get out of manhatta. but he just means lower manhattan,
Farrin Jacobs: right?
Mary Chen: earlier he said lower manhattan
Mary Chen: but maybe it’s changed?
Mary Chen: cnn says 50 flights in US airspace but all reporting ok
Mike Hughes: this is the kind of chaos i expected during the whole y2k thing
Farrin Jacobs: so you have a stock of water and batteries all good to go then?
Mike Hughes: im just saying with planes crashing (being crashed) and unaccounted for
Farrin Jacobs: i know it. i’s just making light of something i shouldn’t be making lite of
Mike Hughes: Guiliani urges citizens to stay at home and orders an evacuation of the area south of Canal Street.
Mary Chen: i have water, i don’t have batteries
Mary Chen: but i don’t have flashlights either
Mike Hughes: if that helps
Mary Chen: so no use for batteries i guess
Mary Chen: except for barter
Mike Hughes: i don’t remember the ny layout
Farrin Jacobs: that does help. thx
Mike Hughes: people were buying gold like crazy this morning
Melissa Brooks has left the room.
Farrin Jacobs: i was 29 cents short with my water purchase. good thing i have a very nice deli man.
Mike Hughes: this is the first time in u.s. history that air traffic nationwide has been halted
Travis Keller: jesus
Travis Keller: serious?
Mike Hughes: yup
Mike Hughes: just this statement alone is disturbing
Mike Hughes: 10:10 a.m.: A portion of the Pentagon collapses.
Mary Chen: so the 2 european planes, are they accounted for?
Farrin Jacobs: and what abt that 5th plane? location?
Mike Hughes: 5th plane is unaccounted for
Mike Hughes: from united airlines
Farrin Jacobs: still!?
Mary Chen: farrin, that south of canal thing from giuliani was from 11 am
Mary Chen: i don’t know if there’s been a statement since then
Mike Hughes: sorry, just reading the timeline
Chris Smith: they say on fox news that oil just went from $6 a barrel to $32
Farrin Jacobs: who are the jocks on nyc cbs station?
Mike Hughes: no shit?
Chris Smith: I’m about to go fill up my tank
Melissa Brooks has entered the room.
Mike Hughes: wow
Mike Hughes: cnn.com totally stripped their website down to nothing
Mary Chen: yeah, thank god
Mary Chen: who needs fuckin asp now.
Bob Massey: their servers must be HAMMERED.
Bob Massey: i can’t even get onto the washington post site.
Mike Hughes: i couldn’t even call my dad in vienna va earlier today
Mary Chen: washpost.com just came up for me
Mary Chen: oh
Mary Chen: that’s corporate
Bob Massey: looking at aol’s welcome screen with pix of wtc on fire. i just realized:
Bob Massey: we USED to have a world trade center.
Mary Chen: yeah, the skyline is just blank now
jetli: whats the 2nd largest trade center
jetli: in chicago?
Mike Hughes: someone flew an airplane into the pentagon
Mike Hughes: it’s just stupid
Mary Chen: http://unaesthetic.net/pictures/index.cgi?mode=album&album=./WTC%5fPENT%5fCRASHES
Mary Chen: bob: pictures
Mary Chen: 5th plane, was that the one that went down outside of chicago?
Mary Chen: or was there one? so lost.
Mike Hughes: 5th plane is still missing
Mike Hughes: do yo mean chicago or pittsburgh?
jetli: one went down in chicagp??
Mike Hughes: i haven’t heard about a plane going down in chicago
jetli: pittsburh i think
Farrin Jacobs: i think i started the chicago rumor.
Farrin Jacobs: it was reported out of chicago that a 5th plane was missing
jetli: i was just asking about the 2nd largest trade center
jetli: i think it’s in chicagp
Farrin Jacobs: but was no details about where that plane was
Mary Chen: ok
Mary Chen: sorry bout that
jetli: damn filthy ape
Farrin Jacobs: isn’t the sears tower one of those tallest bldgs? they evacuated that a while back.
jetli: yes
Bob Massey: chen: can’t open that link. what the root url?
jetli: 2nd largest building in world next to sinking malaysian towers
Mike Hughes: http://unaesthetic.net/crashes/
jetli: just say pictures of palestinians cheering and laughing
jetli: holding up flags
Mary Chen: http://unaesthetic.net/crashes/
jetli: claiming “god is dead”
Farrin Jacobs: wow, google homepage has a message to go to tv and radio for news
jetli: tv is the best bet
jetli: at this point
jetli: they are saying noone can leave or enter manhatten
Mike Hughes: this is like an earthquake
jetli: this is worse
Mary Chen: way worse
jetli: we are at war
Mike Hughes: you don’t know if it’s just getting started or if it’s over
Mike Hughes: i know
jetli: and we dont even know with who
Mike Hughes: i was finishing a thought
Mike Hughes: so, please read both of those together
Mike Hughes: thanks
jetli: ahh
jetli: point noted
jetli: waiting for aftershocks at this point
jetli: wonder if they have anything else planned
Bob Massey: whoa, chen. amazing pix.
Mike Hughes: gotta go
Mike Hughes: laters
Mike Hughes has left the room.
Mary Chen: i don’t even know whose they are, someone in here earlier gave the link
Travis Keller: mary… are you leaving town?
Mary Chen: can’t decide
Mary Chen: are you?
Mary Chen: i’d feel so exposed on the highway
jetli: how far is hollywood from anything relating to LA finance?
Mary Chen: downtown is about 10 minute drive from here in traffic
Farrin Jacobs: it’s relatively close to downtown, no?
Mary Chen: from my part of hollywood anyway
Travis Keller: i dunno
Travis Keller: i think i’ll stay
Melissa Brooks: capitol records bldg evacuated in LA
Travis Keller: i mean… anywhere we can drive… if a bomb drops will get hit
Farrin Jacobs: capitol? really? damn.
Mary Chen: the navy’s mobilized on east coast, waht about west coast?
Mary Chen: all tall skyscrapers all over US are evacuated i believe
Melissa Brooks: as with alot of bldgs downtown
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jetli: all businesses in SF are closed
jetli: and emptied
jetli: people are flooding out of SF
jetli: and to oakland or marin county
Travis Keller: really?
jetli: yes
Travis Keller: i wonder what the freeways here look like
Bob Massey: take a can opener.
jetli: did they find that other plane yet?
Travis Keller: nope
jetli: fuck
jetli: this is the air attack
jetli: what about ground attacks, bombs, whatever
Mary Chen: that’s what i’m saying, the military must be on high alert for anything like that
Mary Chen: though, what can they do right
Mary Chen: i want to hear more about this water shit.
jetli: havent received anymore info
Travis Keller: what water shut?
Travis Keller: shit
Bob Massey: thought: pentagon down. pres elsewhere. phones tied up. rescure squads…
jetli: other thatn that AZ health dept
Bob Massey: all busy. good time for second wave.
jetli: is on alert from a tip that water sources are next target
Travis Keller: oh man
Travis Keller: i should go buy water
Mary Chen: travis: DEFINITELY
jetli: i would
jetli: who knows whats gonna happen, but lets hope its over
Bob Massey: we did. 12 gallons.
Bob Massey: drink slow.
Travis Keller: 12 gallons?
jetli: the country is at war, and im responding to emails about someone who cant connect to our website, what
jetli: is wrong with some people
Travis Keller: haha
Travis Keller: i havent even checked mine
Bob Massey: all we could carry.
Travis Keller: i’ll get stupid shit about nofx or something
Mary Chen: OH MY GOD, IS NOFX OK?
Travis Keller: haha
Bob Massey: *doesn’t epitaph have it’s hq in the wtc?*
Bob Massey: sorry.
Mary Chen: WHERE IS BRITNEY? DO WE HAVE CONFIRMATION ON BRITNEY?
Rob Lord: WHAT ABOUT AFI?
jetli: i hope ska isnt dead
Takuji Masuda has left the room.
Bob Massey: skas alive?
jetli: what the world needs is more SKA
Mary Chen: someone on radio from LAX said everything in US airspace is on the ground now
jetli: good
jetli: the bridges here are still open
Mary Chen: sorry, that was domestic flights
Mary Chen: international are incoming, but i think all accounted for
jetli: but the golden gate walkway is close
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Mary Chen: latin grammys cancelled
jetli: just remember all MLB baseball games are cancelled
jetli: thats the toughest part to deal with
jetli: no baseball today
Farrin Jacobs: type O blood anyone in ny? if so, try to donate.
jetli: definitely
jetli: donate blood
Mary Chen: my sister went to donate, but she lived in london for 6 months. last time she tried they refused her
Mary Chen: cause of mad cow. wonder if restrictions will get relaxed
Farrin Jacobs: my friend went and they wouldn’t take it cuz she’s anemic. picky picky,
jetli: i wonder if they will turn down palestinians donating blood
Farrin Jacobs: or britney.
Ultragrrl: i’m not here, this isnt happening.
jetli: wonder if they will open up airports tommorrow
Travis Keller: no way
jetli: will people even want to fly?
Chris Smith: I don’t want a war
Chris Smith: right now
Travis Keller: they will be closed for a few days… at least
Chris Smith: I want to get this full lenght paranorm album out and get my shine on before the world blows up
Travis Keller: http://www.btinternet.com/~david_amor/wtc/explode_getty410x443.jpg
Travis Keller: para… see our new mp3 page? upload some shit…
Chris Smith: ok
Farrin Jacobs: someone from plane that crashed in PA made a cell phone call
Ultragrrl: oh my god.
Ultragrrl: those photos.
Ultragrrl: those are intense.
Farrin Jacobs: was locked in bathroom and called for help. freaky. those poor fucking people.
Mary Chen: those people
Mary Chen: god
Mary Chen: i was so scared to fly sunday for whatever reason, i can’t even fathom
Mary Chen: having my worst fears realized, and it would go on for a while
Farrin Jacobs: well, all of the people obviously. but i was just struck by thought of those people actually
Mary Chen: it’s not instantaneous, just terror
Farrin Jacobs: on the plane and knowing what was about to happen
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, total and complete terror.
Mary Chen: the economy… how much of it was in the WTC? How many corporations will be devastated?
Ruben Fleischer: what blows my mind is the people who were jumping out of the 78th floor of the towers
Mary Chen: and specifically financial corporations
Ruben Fleischer: that’s fucking nuts.
Ruben Fleischer: i can’t even imagine their terror
Farrin Jacobs: yeah. to jump out of the wtc.
Farrin Jacobs: unbelievable.
Chris Smith: downtown LA is empty
Travis Keller: how do you know?
Ultragrrl: allt hose people on cnn walking. ti’s insane.
Ultragrrl: and no world trade center. gone.
Chris Smith: they’re showing it on tv
Chris Smith: not even any cars except a few cabs
Travis Keller: jesus
Travis Keller: looting is gonna happen
Chris Smith: reporter is standing in the middle of the street saying “LA is a ghost town”
Ruben Fleischer: my brother just went to pick up his friend who stayed with us last night and was on a plane for NY
Ruben Fleischer: She’s at some hotel down by the airport with all the other passengers that aren’t going anywhere.
Chris Smith: where’s paul at?
Ruben Fleischer: asleep
Ultragrrl: what’s that website where the thumbnails of the bombings are?
Mary Chen: steve slabco just got back from NY yesterday right?
Nancy Nereo: yeah hes cool
Ruben Fleischer: yeah, he’s at his house
Mary Chen: http://unaesthetic.net/crashes/
Mary Chen: LA city hall closed to public, but city business still continuing
Mary Chen: LA people: know good live traffic sites?
Bob Massey: whoa. lady on tv said: today’s date – 9-1-1
Bob Massey: get it?
jetli: you think that was planned?
Bob Massey: fuck i dunno. if i were writing this script tho, i’d use that.
Travis Keller: totally planned
jetli: the date?
Travis Keller: it’s the anniversary of the iran talks i guess
jetli: oh
Bob Massey: which iran talks?
Takuji Masuda has entered the room.
Mary Chen: “cbs says today is anniversary of camp david accords of support of israel”
Mary Chen: hi tak, ian and julie and Zoe there yet?
Takuji Masuda: they went to eat breakfast
Mary Chen: this is mary chen by the way
Takuji Masuda: I know
Farrin Jacobs: someone else said the anniversary of the accords is sept 17, tho
Mary Chen: ah
Takuji Masuda: where are you at?
Mary Chen: hollywood.
Mary Chen: how did they say the drive was?
Travis Keller: where’s ian at?
Mary Chen: malibu
Travis Keller: oh
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Rob Lord: r0blord is in the house.
Rob Lord: but not for long. lates.
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Mary Chen: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/attack/1.htm
Farrin Jacobs: mary, if my ian and julie get back online, tell ’em i went to see about donating blood.
Farrin Jacobs: my sis, is what i started to type
Mary Chen: ok.. were you here when tak said they’re there, they went to breakfast
Mary Chen: what happened when you went?
Mary Chen: oh, you’re going now
Farrin Jacobs: yeah, going now.
Farrin Jacobs: but i think i’m anemic, so don’t know if they’ll take my blood
Steven Nereo has left the room.
Kristin Stavola: hey mary… what happened to that LA bound Intl flight?
Mary Chen: notihng i’ve heard. i think it was LA bound as in intended destination, but not actually heading here
Mary Chen: LAX says all domestics are on the ground, and everything else is accounted for
Mark Kates has entered the room.
Aland has entered the room.
Farrin Jacobs: anyone else hear that one of the terrorists involved in embassy bombing from bin laden group
Farrin Jacobs: was scheduled for sentencing tomorrow?
Mary Chen: hadn’t heard… heard Taliban denounces the attacks
Mary Chen: and that they claim not to be capable of somehting of this scale
Kristin Stavola: yea
Travis Keller: la ports are all closed
Mary Chen: all ships being searched
Travis Keller: whos taliban?
Bob Massey has left the room.
Farrin Jacobs: afghanis
Farrin Jacobs: where osama is supposedly hiding
Mary Chen: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/attack/14.htm
Mary Chen: insane
Kristin Stavola has left the room.
Mary Chen: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/attack/13.htm
Mary Chen: disaster movie
Aland has left the room.
Travis Keller has left the room.
Bob Massey has entered the room.
Bob Massey: had to sign off for a minute there.
Bob Massey: has anyone said anything about the fact that the last big terrorist strik
Bob Massey: strike in the u.s. was of domestic origin?
Bob Massey: i.e., not mid-eastern.
Bob Massey: middle-eastern, i mean.
Bob Massey: definitely mid-eastern. u.s.
Mary Chen: flipping through the radio, everyone’s still concentrating on bin laden
Mary Chen: which is just irresponsible at this point
Mary Chen: that and some jackass called in and blamed clinton
Bob Massey: yeah. clearly clinton’s fault.
Bob Massey: that jerk clinton moved to *harlem*.
Farrin Jacobs: hey, anyone in ny thinking about donating blood: they’re turning people away and telling em
Farrin Jacobs: to come back
Farrin Jacobs: later
Mary Chen: good to know
Mary Chen: hi bandwidth photos from someone on 395 driving past the pentagon:
Mary Chen: http://youthenrage.com/terror/
Mary Chen: says pieces of plane landed on his car
Farrin Jacobs: damn. i just got off the phone with a coworker who is locked out of our office cuz he
Farrin Jacobs: left to help people in the street
Farrin Jacobs: he helped a man who had walked down from the 78th floor of the wtc.
Mary Chen: and now he has to walk home?
Farrin Jacobs: a lot of walking, eh?
Farrin Jacobs: but apparently he just made it out in time. as in: there were people behind him.
Farrin Jacobs: lots of them.
Mary Chen: the man from the WTC?
Farrin Jacobs: yes.
Mary Chen: oh god
Mary Chen: all those people
Farrin Jacobs: another bldg might collapse they think.
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Mary Chen: near wtc?
Farrin Jacobs: yeah. wtc 7
Farrin Jacobs: burning and can’t extinguish. so will likely collapse
Mary Chen: already evacuated though?
Farrin Jacobs: i assume.
Farrin Jacobs: they didn’t say tho.
Farrin Jacobs: i think the whole area was being evacutaed, so i assume so.
Mary Chen: yeah, and it’s been several hours
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Kristin Stavola has entered the room.
Kristin Stavola: Mary?
Kristin Stavola: its kristen
Mary Chen: hi, back
Mary Chen: what’s up
Kristin Stavola: just back… anything ?
Kristin Stavola: you didn’t go with ian and julie i guess
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Kristin Stavola: what is up with bombs in afganistan???
Kristin Stavola: we wasted no time?
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Kristin Stavola has entered the room.
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Travis Keller: are they bombing?
Mary Chen: we’re not bombing, but there are bombs in afghanistan
Travis Keller: who is bombing?
Mary Chen: don’t know
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Cris Baray: long day.
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Apple’s Got It On Lock

cute how it matches their stock price over the past five years

Indeed, Apple has it locked up. All they ever wanted was to sell you the hardware (the ITMS thing is a ruse), and they’ve won by pure Christensen physics (be the integrated solution where the technology is not yet good enough) against a monopolist on an army of dirt-cheap hardware. Even when the services dissipate, the hardware is all theirs. Speaking for myself my services will increasingly be non-Apple, but my hardware is 100% Apple for the foreseeable future.

My Apple history:

  • 1982, Apple II+
  • 1983, Apple IIe
  • 1992, NeXTstation, tattoo
  • 1995, PowerBook Duo Laptop + QuickTake camera for Beastie Boys tour
  • 2003, 12” PowerBook for Muse.Net OS X testing, iPod, replaced Sony Vaio
  • 2006, 15” MacBook Pro, replaced Sony Vaio
  • 2006, MacBook for Julie, replaced stolen eMachine
  • Toay, September 6th, 2007, Mac Mini replacing PC desktop (the slow one I’m typing on now, the one Rob gave me when we started Mediacode, the one that replaced the one Justin bought me when they hired me at Nullsoft), 2 iPod Nanos

Read between the lines and you can see fifteen years of reluctance to jump on the Apple ship. Even after the above replacements there are still two Windows machines running in my house (Zoe’s desktop and the file server), and I could take you on a tour of the Windows Media-compatible device graveyard, I’ve used almost every last one of them. I came kicking and screaming to Apple-land. I only bought my MacBook Pro a year ago after the Vaio I ordered arrived broken, they sent me another and it was broken, too. But now, living with both Macs and PCs (at work I still have both a Windows laptop and a Mac laptop), I can honestly say I wouldn’t even consider buying a Windows-based machine. It just seems like a crazy thing to do. If I’m buying it, everyone must be. What college kid would want to show up for their first day of school with a non-Apple? (fwiw, the stats back it up, Apple laptops were 17% of laptop sales in July, up from 12% in June.)

If in 2009 we’re using Yahoo! or Rhapsody or some new subscription service to get our Music on our Apple hardware, does Apple care? No. They never have. So long as we’re buying their circuitry, they don’t care where we’re getting the music from. And they’ve shifted the hardware tide irreversibly and created momentum that’ll easily carry them through Steve’s retirement if not Steve’s.

So yes, this is a bit of a confession. Something to point people to when they go, “Dude! Ian Rogers has an iPod Nano?! Is the world ending?!”

ian

ps – Just in case you wanted any more proof that Rob Lord is a visionary, he bought a shitload of Apple stock back in 2001.

Apple’s Got It On Lock

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Apple’s Got It On Lock

cute how it matches their stock price over the past five years

Indeed, Apple has it locked up. All they ever wanted was to sell you the hardware (the ITMS thing is a ruse), and they’ve won by pure Christensen physics (be the integrated solution where the technology is not yet good enough) against a monopolist on an army of dirt-cheap hardware. Even when the services dissipate, the hardware is all theirs. Speaking for myself my services will increasingly be non-Apple, but my hardware is 100% Apple for the foreseeable future.

My Apple history:

  • 1982, Apple II+
  • 1983, Apple IIe
  • 1992, NeXTstation, tattoo
  • 1995, PowerBook Duo Laptop + QuickTake camera for Beastie Boys tour
  • 2003, 12” PowerBook for Muse.Net OS X testing, iPod, replaced Sony Vaio
  • 2006, 15” MacBook Pro, replaced Sony Vaio
  • 2006, MacBook for Julie, replaced stolen eMachine
  • Toay, September 6th, 2007, Mac Mini replacing PC desktop (the slow one I’m typing on now, the one Rob gave me when we started Mediacode, the one that replaced the one Justin bought me when they hired me at Nullsoft), 2 iPod Nanos

Read between the lines and you can see fifteen years of reluctance to jump on the Apple ship. Even after the above replacements there are still two Windows machines running in my house (Zoe’s desktop and the file server), and I could take you on a tour of the Windows Media-compatible device graveyard, I’ve used almost every last one of them. I came kicking and screaming to Apple-land. I only bought my MacBook Pro a year ago after the Vaio I ordered arrived broken, they sent me another and it was broken, too. But now, living with both Macs and PCs (at work I still have both a Windows laptop and a Mac laptop), I can honestly say I wouldn’t even consider buying a Windows-based machine. It just seems like a crazy thing to do. If I’m buying it, everyone must be. What college kid would want to show up for their first day of school with a non-Apple? (fwiw, the stats back it up, Apple laptops were 17% of laptop sales in July, up from 12% in June.)

If in 2009 we’re using Yahoo! or Rhapsody or some new subscription service to get our Music on our Apple hardware, does Apple care? No. They never have. So long as we’re buying their circuitry, they don’t care where we’re getting the music from. And they’ve shifted the hardware tide irreversibly and created momentum that’ll easily carry them through Steve’s retirement if not Steve’s.

So yes, this is a bit of a confession. Something to point people to when they go, “Dude! Ian Rogers has an iPod Nano?! Is the world ending?!”

ian

ps – Just in case you wanted any more proof that Rob Lord is a visionary, he bought a shitload of Apple stock back in 2001.

Rick Rubin in NYT Mag

Beastie Boys and Rick Rubin

Just a couple quick before bed comments on this weekend’s novella on Rick Rubin swooping in to save Columbia in last weekend’s NYT Mag:

First of all, I am a certified Rick Rubin fan and despite the fact that I met Jay-Z at his house and we were introduced (again) at a 3 year-old’s birthday party in Malibu a few weekends ago I have never had a single conversation with the guy. But from Public Enemy to Slayer to Cash and Neil Diamond to witnessing him totally geek out like a fan boy at a Radiohead show at the 9:30 club ten years ago, I have nothing but respect for his ears.

Where the article is right on is pointing out that a record label’s first job is making great music. As Umair pointed out and I mentioned in my presentation at BarCamp a year and a half ago, quality is hyper-efficient in the Media 2.0 world and content companies need to invest in quality content above all else. As Alan says: record labels used to know how to look at a tree and see the table; modern record labels core competency is marketing and selling a finished table at Wal-Mart. Getting someone in there who can actually take something good and make it great is a Good Move (TM). One person isn’t enough, of course, so I hope Rick brings some friends. Rumor has it Matt Sweeny has been helping him out as of late, which bodes well.

But how weird was the “subscription is the answer” part of the article, with no reference to the fact that Rhapsody, Napster, Emusic, and Yahoo! have been spending millions of dollars marketing music subscriptions for years? You and I could all talk at length about what the issues have been (DRM, consumer confusion, Apple, etc), but the article introduces it as if it’s a new idea. “Subscription Music! Imagine this magical world!” Huh?

Also funny is the lack of mention of how consistently mediocre American Recordings was as a label. Apart from the Milk EP (“Never Dated”) and the Cash records I can’t even name a record I loved from that label. Despite being the hugest Misfits/Samhain fan on the planet (or probably because of) I thought the Danzig records were weak and no, I never liked The Black Crowes (sorry, Sam Velde). Did I miss some A&R genius there? The Jayhawks, I’ll give ’em The Jayhawks. And that one John Doe record. But the world didn’t stop when American closed. No one wept. No one noticed, as far as I remember.

But most importantly, the article does point out that the machinery of the majors is built to dominate radio, MTV, and retail, an entire infrastructure that doesn’t amount to anything but cost in the Media 2.0 world. The challenge for Rick is, where does size actually help? It’s going to be much easier to have success on a smaller scale, which is what Rick does best. The perfect Media 2.0 play for Rick (IMHO) would be to do exactly what he does — identify great talent and do whatever is appropriate for them and their fans, noting specifically that this might not be a 70 minute album anymore. Why not release songs in a bloggy sort of way, outlining the recording/writing process, show us the story that went with the album, make it last a year, sell the tracks on iTunes, give a couple away, give us some video, sell us a t-shirt, take us to a live show, and at the end package it up in a DVD box set that we want to spend $30 on (I just paid $50 for the Magnolia Electric Co box set so it’s not out of the question). Rick could do some amazing art this way.

Question is, can he really scale it across all of Columbia? Can he make the size and reach work for him or is it all just unnecessary overhead/headache? Or will he just spend their money making a few cool projects while the traditional side of the business continues its decline? It’ll be fun to watch.

My advice is that they get some proper social media geeks in there alongside the music geeks. I don’t necessarily mean engineers, I mean people who get blogging, people who understand that you don’t need to work at a company anymore to make a living publishing online (I’m talking about people like Andy, and Andy you know I’m talking about you). It’s why RCRD LBL makes sense — Peter Rojas understands the physics of Web publishing. He lived through the change in cost structure and value proposition between print and online, and this actually does make him extremely well-suited to build a music company on the same model. If you had more of these folks at a label they would be able to help build the label that operates on the “patient for growth, impatient for profit” (Christensen, from The Innovator’s Dilemma) mantra of emergent, scalable businesses.

It’s definitely a very exciting time and I think giving the company to someone with REAL EARS is a huge step forward, since I fundamentally believe that quality is hyper-efficient on the Internet. Now you need someone who gets the whole package, who can conceive of what the PRODUCT looks like in the Media 2.0 world, because it isn’t vinyl at 55 minutes or plastic disks at 72 minutes. But all in all I’m encouraged — it feels like we’re finally getting somewhere this year. The denial is over and some bets are being placed.

ian

postscript: TechDirt was less kind, and right on with the original EFF plan reminder. Lesson is, listen to the market. Swimming up stream isn’t possible on the Internet. Go with the current. Seriously.